I have to kit 11 reticules. So it’s a little important to determine the lengths required of either DMC Floss or silk. I had a scrap of fabric (muslin I think) and tacked it onto a frame. It isn’t the final shape of the vine border, I’ve made some changes after having seen the actual reticule in person again. This shape suits my purposes though. I measured the floss required for stitching the border and then decided to put a flower inside and start on that. I’m also keeping track of the floss I’m using on the Rose.